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I'm still subscribed to one of the vaccination threads on diaperswappers. It has been dead for several weeks. Today, the following letter was posted. How incredibly awful theology, among other awful things about it.



we have decided not to vax and had gotten flack from our dr. office until i handed them this...then i didn't hear a peep...hope this helps :thumbsup:


[date]

County Health Dept. [address]

Attention: [Immunization nurse’s name]

RE: [first child’s name, date of birth] [second child’s name, date of birth]...

Dear Nurse [name]:

This office has been retained as counsel to represent [parent’s names], individually, on behalf of their children, [children’s names], with regard to my clients’ rights for an exemption from immunizations as provided by North Carolina Statutes 130A-157.

The present situation stems from my client’s refusal to have their children, [children’s names], submit to immunizations and innoculations as perscribed by North Carolina Statutes 130A-152. My clients have the right to refuse to have their children receive these injections pursuant to North Carolina Statutes 130A-137, since they have sincere religious beliefs which prohibit them from having their children receive immunizations and innoculations.

Recent court decisions have upheld the rights of individuals seeking exemptions from immunizations based upon “personal” religious beliefs. (Sherr and Levy vs. Northport East-Northport Union Free School District, 672 F. Supp. 81, (E.D.N.Y., 1987); (Allanson vs. Clinton Central School District, U.S. District Court, Northern District Court, Northern District of New York (84 CV 174), 1984; Campain vs. Marlboro Central School District, Supreme Court Ulster County Special Term, November 15, 1985; Brown vs. City School District, 429 NYS2d 355; Maier vs. Besser, 73 Misc.2d 241).

My clients’ religious beliefs include the following:

[editor’s note: amend the beliefs below as needed to have them apply to you; what you put here is up to you. Should your exemption be challenged, it will be up to the challenger to prove that what you state here is not your bona fide religious belief, a generally difficult thing to prove.]

“We believe in God, and that God has created us in his image. In being created in God’s image, we are given his perfect immune system. We are bestowed with His gift, the immune system. We believe it is sacrilegious and a violation of our sacred religious beliefs to violate what God has given us by showing a lack of faith in God. Immunizations are a lack of faith in God and His way, the immune system.”

[editor’s note: this last sentence is the crux of this religious exemption argument.]

“We believe in Jesus’ many promises of protection for us, and the He loves us, and will take care of us if we place our trust in Him. I believe that immunizations show no faith in God’s promises of protection for us, saying to God that you trust man more than His holy words of protection for us.”

“God desires us to love Him and our neighbors first and foremost. This is His first command. By loving Him, we are to fully trust on Him for all things. He is our Lord Father. He is our Rock, our fortress and our Savior.”

“Our faith is in God and in the Holy Word, being the Holy Bible which is authored by God. This is the instruction book for living that He has left us and in it He tells us He is our protector and we stand firm on His promise. Our faith is in Him!”

My clients’ religious beliefs are also based upon the understanding of what God requires of them as provided for in the Bible.

[editor’s note: add/delete quotes as suits your personal beliefs]

“Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God and ye are not your own?”
(1st COR 6:19)

“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”
(1st COR 2:5)

“You must know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is within the spirit you have received from God. You are not your own.”
(1st COR 6:19)

“As a consequence, your faith rests not on the wisdom of men but on the power of God.”
(1st COR 2:5)

“I know with certainly on the authority of Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself: it is only when a man thinks something unclean that it becomes so for him.”
(Romans 14:14)

“If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, and you are that temple.” (1st COR: 3:17)

“For to his angels he has given command about you, that they guard you in all your ways.”
(Psalms 91:11)

“Follow God your Lord, remain in awe of him, keep His commandments, obey and serve Him and you will then be able to cling to Him.”
(Leviticus, 19:1,2)

I anticipate a prompt response from you or the appropriate official.

Very truly yours,

[lawyer’s name]

cc: [parents’ names]

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-07 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sassy-fae.livejournal.com
Wow.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be the same as saying "I'm not getting medical treatment for (appendicitis, amputated limb, heart attack) because that means I don't have faith in God's ability to keep me healthy and safe"?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-07 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
Yep. The fact that she even has a family doctor who lists her as a patient is in direct violation of the statement of beliefs outlined above. Why should she need a doctor if God's immune system has her covered?

I hope the doctor refuses to keep the family on. I know my doctor has refused to treat patients who consistently and rudely refused treatments.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snobahr.livejournal.com
So, was the person posting this to your list the one refusing the vaccines, etc...? Has any asked her if her biblical quotes also will be applied to (appendicitis, amputated limb, heart attack), especially:
“If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, and you are that temple.” (1st COR: 3:17)...?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
I made a deal with mysef a few weeks ago that I wouldn't get into this discussion again, since I can't win it, so I'm not going to ask.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snobahr.livejournal.com
U R wiz.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
Where does she attend, The First Church of Stupid Misinterpretation?

Poor kids.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hillarygayle.livejournal.com
The vast majority (I won't say ALL, but definitely the majority) of anti-vax folks have their heads so far up their rear ends they wouldn't know science if I stabbed them in the eye with it.

And I am sorely tempted to do just that. My little biology teacher soul rages at these ignorant morons and their blind refusal to see how they are endangering their children. Nothing makes me angrier than willful ignorance.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
Why, any attempt ro understand the world through SCIENCE is a rejection of the revelation given to us in God's Word, and is therefore an evil plot by the devil to reduce our faith!

I agree with you 100%. Not only is this extremely bad science, it's actually equally bad theology.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stress-kitten.livejournal.com
The question, of course, is if it is the theology of the person offering it. One gets the impression it is less a statement of faith than a legal loophole to avoid the necessesity of immunisation.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stress-kitten.livejournal.com
And it's ALSO terrible theology.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
Except that it fits what they were telling me about their reasons not to vaccinate. There really are people who call themselves Christians and believe this tripe.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beetiger.livejournal.com
You know, I've been friends with Christian Scientists for whom this would at leas have been consistent; they chose to put faith in God and not in medical technology in all cases, and to not learn about biology or the inner workings of the body.

But if you choose to use a doctor's office at all, which presumably these parents did if I'm reading correcty, this doesn't even make internal sense.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ymf.livejournal.com
i'm surprised that someone so extreme still exists. /=

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
It's the moderates who are an endangered species - extremists of all kinds are more common than ever.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-09 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ymf.livejournal.com
*nods*

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-08 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlydoll.livejournal.com
I just feel bad for the kids, because one day something is going to go around and they are going to be the ones to suffer, not the vacinated parents.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-06-12 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
The kids will probably be fine. I worry more for other people's kids, or the elderly or sick within their sphere - the ones for whom catching one of these diseases could mean death. The kids will get the measles, get over them, and be back on their feet in two weeks. Grandma would get complications that would land her in hospital, and heaven help the little kid at Sunday School who finds himself in hospital around the same time he contracts one of these diseases.

The problem is not for their healthy kids - it's for the unhealthy people around them, whose chance of exposure rises with every kid who doesn't get their shots.

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