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velvetpage ([personal profile] velvetpage) wrote2007-11-05 06:10 am
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Whooping Cough

A little girl who was here playing with Elizabeth on Saturday has been diagnosed with whooping cough. She's had all her vaccinations and she wasn't sick before she left home - she started feeling poorly after dinner. Which is to say, I don't blame the family at all.

In other words, at least two families who have done everything they're supposed to do in regards to preventing the spread of this disease, have come in contact with it - probably as a result of someone at this little girl's school who DIDN'T have their vaccinations up-to-date. The problem is rampant in Southern Ontario, especially Toronto - it's estimated that only about fifty percent of kids have their vaccines up-to-date, and fewer adults than that have had their booster shots. (I have - I got it when I got my tetanus shot about two months ago, and now I'm glad I did.)

Now, chances are that even if someone in my family contracts it, they'll have a fairly mild case. We're vaccinated, and recently, though Claire's eighteen-month vax is coming up in a couple of weeks. But the chances of contracting that mild case are about thirty percent, because increased immunity is not complete immunity. Being overtired, being a little under the weather with something else, being in need of some better vitamins, or just plain bad luck with a struggling immune system, can all make people more vulnerable. That's why, in order for a vaccination program to prevent outbreaks, the vast majority of the population needs to be up-to-date on their vaccinations.

Two of the people who were there on Saturday work closely with kids. Some of my students and colleagues have small babies at home. I'm going to mention to one of those that, if their baby hasn't had her shots yet, she should get them now, just in case I get sick and her father brings it home. It's a long shot, but pretty baby Lily should be protected against it even so.

I repeat, I'm not upset at the family in question. They were doing everything they should have done, and informed everyone of the diagnosis as soon as they had received it so we could take steps. No, I'm angry at the large number of Torontonians (and other Ontarians) who think that they're safe because whooping cough has been so rare for the last few decades. I'm angry at the people advising parents, erroneously, that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent. I'm angry at the family doctors and other health professionals who don't take enough measures to get their patients in for their well-baby visits, including shots. I'm angry at a provincial government that has known about this problem for several years and has yet to put a comprehensive, community-level vaccination program in effect. This is a public health issue, and our public health officials haven't done anything about it.

Any adults who read this who come in regular contact with my family are advised to ensure that their booster shots are up-to-date. You're supposed to have one every ten years to be fully protected; if it's been more than eight or you can't remember, get another. Whooping cough is usually not that serious for adults, or even older children; the risk is that the adults will transmit it to a newborn baby, who could die.

[identity profile] doc-mystery.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Pertussis (aka whooping cough) can be very serious in elderly persons, too.

The combination vaccine DPTP is very safe and can prevent serious health problems in very young infants, for whom passive immunity isn't conferred from the mother. An improved pertussis vaccine called DTaP, approved for use in children aged 15 months and older, is less likely to cause side affects (fever, localized pain) and and will probably soon replace the old DTP, even in infants.

That being said, as far as I know persons over the age of 6 are not routinely vaccinated against pertussis here in Canada. There have been suggestions in the US after an interesting report published in the NEJM to extend vaccination coverage, but this is still something under review.

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[identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the "routinely" part that needs to change, since it's well known that pertussis immunity decreases with age, and since there have been multiple outbreaks in Southern Ontario in recent years.

[identity profile] kibbles.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Funny, today we are going to see if Finbar needs a 4th DTaP or not. School says no, VNA says yes, so we're going to his pediatrician.

[identity profile] momentrabbit.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. Think I'll call Telehealth, explain that I've got a wife with bronchitis and an elderly muminlaw with a somewhat-compromised immune system at home, explain my exposure level (nearly none, but..) and ask if I should get needled, just to be on the safe side.

(thinks) It's been five years since my Tetanus, but honestly, I can't remember the last time I had any boosters refreshed.

(Anonymous) 2007-11-05 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
If you can't remember your last booster, you might as well get it anyway. I'm of the "better safe than sorry" mindset when it comes to vaccines - there are too many family histories of serious illness and death from vaccine-preventable diseases for my comfort.

[identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, that was me. Sorry.

[identity profile] momentrabbit.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries. :) FYI, Telehealth's official word is "It's highly infectious: call your doctor, they may want to put you on antibiotics and give boosters."

Which is a small inconvenience compared to stopping an infection vector.

Poor kidlet! Hope she's feeling better soon.

[identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently it's not a guaranteed diagnosis; it could just be croup. I say get the booster and wait until there are symptoms to accept antibiotics.

And then, it hits me..

[identity profile] momentrabbit.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Remember that tetanus booster I mentioned? I had the combo booster: DPT. Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis - the last being whooping cough. I'm invulnerable! Muahaha! :D

Well, less vulnerable anyhow. That said, it was five years ago: time for a renewal.

[identity profile] perlandria.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Even before we knew what I had was whooping cough, I didn't go around a friend's newborn with me feeling and sounding that ill. You just don't! The friend thinks I avoid her and don't like her daughter, but at least her daughter didn't get sick. And since it was a bad pregnancy and the child was very vulnerable in health until just this year - I'd rather have her hate me and have a daughter - yannow?

[identity profile] r-caton.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I had Whooping Cough at the age of 35 (51 now).... think I got it from my niece, she had a slight cough.... I was still working for 4 of the 6 weeks I had it. Why? Well it couldn't be WC could it I was 35 and you don't get it at 35 (doctors opinion not mine)..... I even drove my boss from Romfor to Liverpool for Heavens sake.....

I pray you don't get affected by it ...I thought it was evil and it's affected my coughing ever since.... a child who wasn't savvy ... doesn't bear thinking about.

[identity profile] perlandria.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I worked the whole time I had Whooping Cough too, and the doctors didn't catch it until I got a related case of bronchitis DESPITE A MINI EPIDEMIC OF WC AT THE TIME. *head desk* I had just started a new job about the time I got it and the Chinese folk name for whooping cough is the 100 day cough - very accurate. I don't think anyone at that job believed me when I said what I had. *more head desk* In retrospect I am very, very happy they kicked me out at my 90 day review but it was frustrating at the time.

It took a lot of self control to work with my body with the type of coughing whooping cough is, deciding when to suppress the cough so it won't spiral, when to let it go to be productive, when it is better to be in a hot shower, when it is better to be in bed. To know that THIS coughing fit is going to end in the bathroom. To know how little to eat, how often. It would have been so easy to choke (more). I shudder to think about how someone weak, ignorant or incapable of self-action, determination or expression would survive it.

I hope the little girl's immunizations means she has a very mild time of it.

[identity profile] kisekileia.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't realize people needed whooping cough boosters as adults. I thought you got the 1 booster in your mid-teens, and after that it was just tetanus every 10 years.

I really can't stand all that mythology that goes around about vaccines causing autism and the like, though it's possible that some of the parents in the Toronto area who don't properly vaccinate their kids don't know any better because they didn't grow up in Canada. The worst thing is, people who are into the 'vaccines cause autism' idea will probably never believe any credible study that disproves their position, because the source is too 'official' to be unbiased *rolls eyes*. People just don't remember how many people died from vaccine-preventable diseases before vaccination was widespread.

[identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com 2007-11-05 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You and I are completely on the same page about this one. There is absolutely no link between autism and vaccines, and nothing makes me crazier than the conspiracy theorists who say there is, and it's being covered up.
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[personal profile] althea_valara 2007-11-05 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
May I ask your opinion of flu shots? I've never gotten one. I had all the usual vaccinations as a kid, as far as I'm aware, and if I ever had kids I plan to vaccinate them. But my family didn't ever get flu shots, so I haven't bothered to get them after I became an adult.

[identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com 2007-11-06 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
The flu shot is, pardon the pun, a shot in the dark. Each year, the medical powers-that-be take a guess at which three flu strands are most likely to be the prevalent ones that year, and develop a vaccine that encompasses those three. Sometimes they're right; more often they're mostly right; and statistically speaking, at some point they're going to miss the mark entirely, leading to a flu epidemic. But since the viruses that cause flu are varied and constantly changing, the flu vaccine is not as reliable as most of the other vaccines at preventing illness. It's quite common for vaccinated people to still get the flu, but they'll be sick for a shorter period of time, and with less severity.

So, if keeping your head out of the toilet bowl for a week in the middle of winter is worth a day or two of a sore arm and the hassle of getting the shot, you can take your chances. If you have children, especially very small children; if you work with children or the elderly; or if you have relatives who are very young, very old, or very sick; then getting a flu shot yourself is a good way to limit the possibility of becoming a vector of infection for those people.

Because I'm a teacher, I'm getting a flu shot at some point soon. I'm not sure yet if I'll get the girls to get them. Elizabeth would require two doses, and Claire three, so I might not.

You may want to consider asking your doctor about an adult booster shot, to bolster the immunities you developed as a kid - or maybe get tested to see if you are immune to some of them.
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[personal profile] althea_valara 2007-11-06 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks. I'll try to remember to ask my doctor about the boosters. I've had a tetanus shot fairly recently, but no other boosters that I can recall.

I think I'm going to pass on the flu shot. I don't often get sick in the winter, and if I do it's usually a cold that passes quickly. I'm also not a vector, really; the only kids I'm around at all are my nieces and nephews; that's not very often, and I'm smart enough to stay away from them if I'm sick. It's more of a risk that I'll get sick from them rather than they get sick from me.

[identity profile] kesmun.livejournal.com 2007-11-06 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
There have been quite a few ads on both radio and TV in the last few months here advising pertussis vaccinations. *nod* They've slowed down, so I think there might've been a small epidemic. I don't think I've had a DPT in coming up on 11 years, though I had a tetanus shot in May. However, I'm nearly never around kids. No matter what, I'd rather be safe than sorry, though. I may consult with my doctor.