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I finally understand why support is falling for the health care reform as proposed. It's because you guys managed to elect the most cowardly bunch of idiots in the history of politics to do it for you. And it's not your fault - because the party that should have been doing it, not only didn't do it, but probably messed it up so badly that no one else will ever get the chance to do it right.

They should have gone for single-payer from the outset and then SETTLED for a robust public option. Now? Totally, completely fucked.

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Date: 2009-09-10 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threekidsinky.livejournal.com
I never said we didn't need reform...I just don't think this is the right reform at this time.

And yes, as inefficient and ineffective as an insurance company. :-) Just as an example, our school system is busing hundreds of 5-yo kindergarten students (and thousands of older students) to opposite ends of the city. Spending millions of extra dollars on transportation alone to bus kids 20+ miles from their home, in the interest of "diversity" (but really, just to even out the test scores). Many of these 5yo students spend 90 minutes or more on the bus *each way*, many of them leave home at 6:30 and get home at 5:30, many of them have to transfer to a different bus halfway though, and none of them are allowed food or water (or potty breaks!) on the bus. A hugely inefficient use of resources (money and time), and really ineffective at diversifying anything but the color of the skin in each classroom. This is our government service at work.

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Date: 2009-09-10 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyat.livejournal.com
Well, what if you lived in, say... New York? Or Wisconsin?

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Date: 2009-09-10 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threekidsinky.livejournal.com
I can't speak to that because I don't live there and have no idea how their systems are run. I do know that we are not by far the worst educational system in the country, so there are plenty of states that run things no better than we do.

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Date: 2009-09-10 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threekidsinky.livejournal.com
And this isn't even the traditional busing method where kids from this neighborhood go to this school across town. Kids are assigned to schools based on a hierarchy list each parent sends in (which you can only list 2 schools in your geographic area...you have to list 4 schools in the other part of town). So literally, you could have 10 third-graders in the same neighborhood going to 10 different elementary schools (of which there are 89 to choose from!). CRAZY INSANE.

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Date: 2009-09-10 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morpheus0013.livejournal.com
How can this possibly be the wrong reform at this time? ANY reform is better than what's in place, or rather what isn't. And the current proposed reform is a hell of a lot better than it could be. Perfect? No. Good? Yes. Actually, it is. Or at least, it was until people started pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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Date: 2009-09-10 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threekidsinky.livejournal.com
I don't mean health care reform is the wrong reform...just that the plan the President wants is the wrong way to go about it, IMO. There's a lot of reform that could happen between where we are and where he wants to be.

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